Sky McLean – 00:00:00: $75,000 car, finance 100% of it at 1.9%, which is like, in my mind, free money. And we’ll give you a car loan for $75,000. This new car, we will take back the old car. And in light of all that, I end up with a check for $38,000 from Beemer. And I’m like, “Done. Sold. Give me the loan. I’ll take the check. I’ll take this car I can’t afford with a thousand bucks a month payments. And I’m going to take that check and buy a piece of dirt in Canmore”, which is the land where the first Basecamp Resorts now sits.

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Karen Stephens: 00:01:04: Hello and welcome to The Hotel Moment podcast. I’m your host, Karen Stephens, the Chief Marketing Officer of Revinate. And today we are thrilled to have Sky McLean, the founder and CEO of Basecamp Resorts. Sky has built a remarkable hospitality brand that has redefined the mountain experience for travelers in Western Canada. With a passion for the outdoors and a commitment to offering unique home-like comfort combined with the hotel convenience, Basecamp has become a key player in the region’s hospitality scene. We’re excited to dive into her journey, her innovative approach to hospitality, and how she’s shaping the future of Basecamp Resorts. So I have to say that this conversation with Sky, lit me up like a Christmas tree. And what do I mean by that? I think it will become obvious the minute that you hear her tell her founder’s story and how she approaches business and life, for that matter, that she’s really someone who is an entrepreneur at heart, very, very brave, and not afraid to take chances. And the chances have really panned out. So I hope you enjoy. I give you Sky McLean. Welcome to the podcast, Sky. It’s great to have you here.

Sky McLean – 00:02:10: Thank you so much for having me.

Karen Stephens – 00:02:11: So full disclosure for our audience, this is actually the second time that Sky and I have gotten to talk. And I have to say, I am so excited that we get to rerecord because the first time, I just was so lit up by our conversation. So I’m so excited for our audience to be able to hear a little bit about your story.

Sky McLean – 00:02:28: Well, thank you. And I’m excited to be doing this again and better WiFi. So thank you for re-having me.

Karen Stephens – 00:02:34: Absolutely. So, Sky let’s start by just talking a little bit about Basecamp. So can you just give the high level of what your company is and where it’s located?

Sky McLean – 00:02:43: Yeah, you bet. We’re a real estate developer located in Canmore, Alberta, which is about 20 minutes from Banff. And we build all kinds of different developments from industrial to residential to hotel condo. But we’re most notably known for our hotel products, which are a variety of different brands that fall under the Basecamp umbrella. And those are anything from Lamp House, which are motel conversions, to North Winds, which are entry-level hotels, all the way up to Mountain House with our Everwild Spa. And that’s our higher-end offering. And Basecamp Resorts is our home away from home, kind of full kitchens, multiple bedrooms, that kind of scenario. So we have a variety of different offerings under our brand.

Karen Stephens – 00:03:21: Yeah, that’s great. And I definitely want to come on to the spa. So that’s something that I found really exciting. So we definitely want to hit on that. But before we go there, can you just give our listeners the origin story? So I think, you know, I love that for a little context. It’s a little crazy right now in the world. And the bravery here was something that really captivated me. So please tell us how you got started.

Sky McLean – 00:03:43: Yeah, and hopefully this story helps people to realize like there’s always something. So it’s interesting as humans how we forget, which is why we have multiple children. You forget childbirth. Like you forget that it’s always hard, and it just sort of keeps changing. So with that, I got fired from my job after 27 days. I had a multitude of different jobs after getting an MBA in real estate development. And the third job that I got was like the job. I was so excited. I had an office. I had a team. All the things you’d want as a manager of multifamily developments for a real estate developer. And then they turf me like no questions, no explanation, nothing. And I got walked out of that office with one of those brown boxes, and see you later. The HR director walked me to my van, and I was mortified. Like, I can’t believe this is happening. I am like so embarrassed. And I went home that day, and I was like, “Absolutely never on the face of this earth am I going to work for someone again.” Like, F that. So anyway, while I had a job and had an income and could get a mortgage, I bought three things. Two condos that were hotel condos, meaning that you can rent them out on Airbnb legally. It’s all the way Airbnb should be, which are commercial condos. And BMW, a little two-door, super sexy, black car that I didn’t actually have the day I got fired. I can’t remember why. But nonetheless, I bought the car for $38,000, and I was like, “I don’t need this car anymore.” I had needed it for this, like, supposed fancy job I had at this, like, nice company doing this nice thing. But anyway, drove back to Beemer and said, “Can I get a refund? There’s only like 500 kilometers in the car. I don’t need it.”And they’re like, “This isn’t Walmart or Costco. We don’t do like unconditional refunds, you moron. But we have a proposition for you. Why don’t you buy this $75,000 car, finance 100% of it at 1.9%”, which is like, in my mind, free money. “And we’ll give you a car loan for $75,000. This new car, we will take back the old car.” And in light of all that, I end up with a check for $38,000 from Beemer. And I’m like, done, sold. Give me the loan. I’ll take the check. I’ll take this car I can’t afford with $1,000 a month payments, and I’m going to take that check and buy a piece of dirt in Canmore, which is the land where the first Basecamp Resorts now sits. And that was an $8 million project. And now we’ve completed around $600 million worth of real estate developments.

Karen Stephens – 00:06:03: Wow, incredible. And I remember when we had chatted before, you ended up raising a fair amount of money to get your first seed product from your friends and family.

Sky McLean – 00:06:11: Exactly. So $38,000 didn’t cut it, obviously. That was just my contribution. And then I had no more money. I had no job. I had two mortgages on those hotel condos that I was luckily servicing by renting them on Airbnb. And Tim and I, my boyfriend and now husband, were staying on the camping trailer on the building site, and in a house that we had in Calgary that we were doing a project at and flipping and selling. And that was a bit of a Calgary thing, but no more money. So I was like, well, what do I do? I need $2 million of cash to be able to get a loan to be able to build this hotel. So I phoned everyone I knew, like everyone. “Hey, remember me? We’re going to build a hotel in Canmore. And it’s incredible.” Like it took months and months of hard work. And all the while I’m putting together this project. And Tim started working on the project. He was a carpenter. And I was like, “So how do you feel about building a hotel?” And he’s like, okay. And I think back to that a lot. Like I could have been dating someone who was, don’t take on that risk. You’re crazy. Why would you do that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was really lucky that he was like, sure. So he started building a hotel. Well, I ran around raising money and putting together the drawings and coordinating consultants and doing all that. And yeah, it was crazy.

Karen Stephens – 00:07:17: And here you are. So 2016, you’ve built this whole enterprise or empire now, I will say. So let me know, as the CEO of this company, how do you think about staffing? Because obviously there’s a lot, you know, you have a background in MBA and real estate development. You kind of had the bravery to put this all together. So to now get into the space that you’re in.

Sky McLean – 00:07:41: It was like the first thing that I ever needed to do. So I’ve hired two people at the same time. The first person was operations manager and an accountant, because I knew I have no idea how to rent a hotel. Like I’ve never — I ran two Airbnbs. That doesn’t make me a hotelier. And I don’t understand anything about QuickBooks and reconciliations. And I’m not an accountant. Just because people get an MBA doesn’t mean that they’re good at QuickBooks and accounting. So I hired Teresa as the accountant. And I was like, the key in this whole thing is, hire people are smarter than you at the thing you need them to do. And they’ll do it right. So that was always my philosophy. And since those two people, we now have 300 people. And it’s always about putting the right people in the right seats. And so matching their skill set, their desire with something that we need, which is our desire. And that usually tends to work. It’s not perfect. There’s always something. There’s the reason for an HR division at every big company. But nonetheless, we get through and we really believe in treating our people the way I would want to be treated. So that’s really important.

Karen Stephens – 00:08:38: I love that. So let’s talk a little bit more about the brand. So you mentioned Wildwood, which is your spa brand. It’s not only a spa, it’s a Nordic spa. So can you tell our listeners what that is?

Sky McLean – 00:08:49: Well, since we last chatted, it’s evolved and it’s now Everwild for two reasons. A, I like Everwild better. It feels like it’s Everwild, and I’m kind of an Everwild soul. But the true catalyst to this, which is a very good business lesson that your listeners hopefully enjoy, is that the name wasn’t available for trademark purposes in the United States. So we’re going to be growing from Canada to the United States. So if you’re ever starting a business, listeners, like check the name, check the name again, get a lawyer. It’s worth the money to check what you’re trying to start, because if the name’s not available and you start going, the person who actually has the trademark or who’s operating under that name, which you may not find on Google, could check you down. So anyway, long story short, we’re very anal about checking our names all over the place that we want to. Wildwood wasn’t available. Someone owns that. And so we were like, well, Everwild. And I really like it. I thought of it myself, which I rarely think of the name. So I was quite excited that it stuck. And long-winded story. That’s the name of the Nordic spa. So for people who haven’t experienced the Nordic Spa, it’s a beautiful thing. It’s based on the thermal cycle of hot, cold, rest, repeat. Hot being a series of whether it’s hot tubs, steam room, sauna. Cold typically being a cold plunge or walking around if it’s minus 10 outside. Rest. There’s indoor rest areas. You don’t want to sit outside. But for summer months, there are beautiful outdoor fire pits where you can sit and rest outside. And then you do it again. And there’s like huge history to this. Massive wellness benefits, health benefits, all kinds of stuff. We could go on for hours. But the gist of it is it’s a really awesome social experience that’s really good for you.

Karen Stephens – 00:10:20: Yeah, that sounds amazing. And the first one is going to be in Canmore, right? At the original, when your hotel’s there.

Sky McLean – 00:10:26: Yeah. So the first one’s actually under construction, Everwild at Mountain House. And originally, we were like, oh, let’s expand the hotel. We’ve got an acre and a half of extra land that when we bought the Holiday Inn and converted it to Mountain House, we’ll just use some more units. We’re hoteliers. That’s like a natural thing. And I had been to one or two Nordic Spas at the time. And I was like, these are kind of neat, you know. And I’m not very spiritual and very like anything like that, which I want to be more of. But anyway, I was like, it’s such a great experience. I want to go and build a Nordic Spa on this site. And then we just went from there. And since that moment, which was a few years ago, have developed not only a spa design, a brand and all that, but developed a deeper understanding of rituals and why people do this and what’s the history of saunas and all this stuff that we’re going to bring into the guest experience. And since then, we’ve now expanded and we’re doing four or five other spas.

Karen Stephens – 00:11:18: That’s so cool. And so do you have concierge, right? Do you have somebody taking the guests through the experience? So, you know, you’re not just rocking up and like, oh, I’m going to just sauna, spa, whatever. Or do you have a guided experience for those? Is that the plan?

Sky McLean – 00:11:30: No, it’s not guided in the sense that the person’s with you the whole time because it’s not this giant place. Like it’s very self-guided. But there is someone there to make recommendations. So when you check in, if you’ve never done this before and you have no idea how many minutes should I go into the sauna, how many minutes should I do a cold plunge? You know, there’s no rule. It’s do whatever you want. But this is the recommended kind of approach to have the best experience. And there’s some people who are very specific, like the water in the cold plunge must be one degree Celsius. You must go in for two minutes. And people have little timers at some of these experiences. So it’s very personal, but we would make suggestions based on the person, but it’s ultimately up to them. So it’s not particularly guided, but we’ll have a lot of information so people can make their own decisions for their own body.

Karen Stephens – 00:12:13: Right, which makes sense. That sounds amazing. So you mentioned you’re planning on expanding to the U.S.. So what are the plans? Do you have a location picked out and timing, or is that still something in the planning arena?

Sky McLean – 00:12:24: That’s very much in the planning. So right now we have a spa under construction in Canmore, one under construction in Fernie, which is a ski town in British Columbia. One that started construction in the spring of next year, 2026 in Calgary. We’re looking at different options outside of Toronto and Montreal. And then in the States, we’ve just started conversations with a few developers in a variety of different locations. That’s really preliminary. But basically, our locations are typically one of two things, like a tourism destination, such as a Canmore, Banff, or different areas like that, or just outside of a large urban area. So in Calgary, we’re about 20 minutes from downtown, and Calgary is a city of 1.8 million people, if you include the surrounding areas. So we have to either have, A, the population base, or B, a location that people are already going to.

Karen Stephens – 00:13:11: Right, like a BAMP, like a ski resort. And everybody needs to de-stress. So I love the idea of it right outside. Now, let’s talk a little bit about sustainability. So you’re doing all of these buildings, but I know you’re from Canada originally. You live in the mountains. So can you talk to me a little bit about your philosophy around sustainability when you do these projects? How do you approach it?

Sky McLean – 00:13:31: Yeah, absolutely. I think there’s a few different avenues in which we think about it. So if you go from land acquisition as the starting point, we obviously end up having to change the dirt, tear down trees, do things that aren’t, let’s say, ideal for the landscape. But we always endeavor to replace what we’ve, say, taken out, if not more. So in the case of the spa here, there’s actually going to be a lot more trees than we dug out. And it’s going to, you know, from an aesthetic purpose, look beautiful and be really great. We use materials during our construction that are as recycled and sustainable as possible. And that I would defer to the construction experts on exactly what that means. And there’s different elements of tiles, and you can get tiles that are less harmful in their production cycle. So it’s not just like what is in the tile itself, but it’s like how was it produced? What is put into the environment during production for everything? I’m using tiles as an example, but for every building material, you can be sustainable. We’ve built a couple of buildings that are called Built Green, which is actually a certification you get by a third party confirming that you’ve actually done all these different things. It’s quite an exhaustive list of things to become certified. So that’s something we’ve done at some of our buildings. It’s not the case at a renovation, obviously, because the building was built a long time ago, but in a new build, that’s possible. And then it’s important for us as we’re operating our business, you know, what shampoos are we offering guests? What are we going to offer guests? What robes are we going to buy? So we think about it from every perspective. And we are part of a tree planting initiative right now. We’re part of Protect Our Winters. We are part of all kinds of different things that we’re really trying to grow on that as well.

Karen Stephens – 00:15:11: Yeah, I love that. I know myself. I’m also, I love mountain towns. I love to ski. I love to be in resorts. And it’s important to me as a consumer that I’m staying in a place. If I’m communing with nature, I want to make sure that I’m in a spot that believes that too.

Sky McLean – 00:15:24: Yeah, totally. We believe it, and we do the best we can. Obviously, nothing is perfect, but we’re trying.

Karen Stephens – 00:15:30: We’re trying. Absolutely. So for our listeners out there that are owners, asset managers, do you look for investments into your endeavors? Do you also raise capital now for some of your projects?

Sky McLean – 00:15:41: Absolutely. So it’s no different than the beginning. We raised capital from, I don’t want to say just about anybody because we’re not those people who are taking like $2,000 checks here and there. We have a minimum investment of $50,000. We raise money, sorry, into our projects through limited partnerships, which in the States may be a limited partnership, may end up being an LLC, but no different. And people who come in are accredited investors. So you have to have a certain income or net worth to be considered accredited investors. It’s a little bit different in Canada and the States, but not much. And we really pride ourselves in this retail investment model. Not that I have anything against institutional partners, and we would be open to that if that door opened for us, and it was a good idea. But we’ve raised our money, 50 grand here, 200 grand there, 500 grand there. And I love having hundreds of investors. I love making people money. I love growing our business with that kind of following. It’s really fun. So always raising money. So anyone who wants more information, definitely find us.

Karen Stephens – 00:16:39: Yeah. So where would they find more information if they wanted it while we’re on the topic?

Sky McLean – 00:16:42: We have a multitude of websites, but anyone listening, just email me. It’s very easy, sky@basecampresorts.com and I’ll send them to the appropriate person. We have an exempt market dealer who does all of our compliance stuff and bit of a process, but email me and I’ll sort it out.

Karen Stephens – 00:16:59: What a cool opportunity. I mean, like if I have the opportunity to invest in a business like yours that’s run by somebody like you, I’m in.

Sky McLean – 00:17:05: Oh, thank you. Well, email me. Send us a check tomorrow.

Karen Stephens – 00:17:08: Send me a check. You got it. So what is the one piece of advice, Sky that you would give to other entrepreneurs in hospitality or any other industry when you talk about starting from scratch? And, I mean, your story is so unique. I don’t know that everybody can go out there and replicate it. But if you had one piece of advice to give, what would it be?

Sky McLean – 00:17:26: Yeah, I don’t know if I recommend financing your car to start a business. That’s not exactly a sound business advice. However, what I would say is there’s no right time. So just do it. Like there’s no, you know, yesterday I got a dog. Like who goes and gets a dog when you have a million things going on and two little kids and all the rest of it? But it was just like there’s never going to be a moment in business where the clouds open up and the stars are shining bright. And now is your time. Like there’s no right time to have a kid. There’s no right time to do anything. You just have to do it. But and a lot of people come to me with this question and think that they have to have this like perfect step by step plan with every single step and T’s crossed and I’s dotted. And yes, it is good to have a plan. But sometimes you just have to take the leap and know in your soul and your heart that you’re going to make it work it out that you have that perseverance. And if someone doesn’t have that perseverance or is too scared, they should just get a job. And that’s okay. It’s okay to not be an entrepreneur. Like, trust me, this is stressful. It’s okay to get a job. It’s actually great. It’s a good thing. And because it’s not worth the stress, like if someone’s an entrepreneur, they know it. You just know it’s like the sky is blue. You just know in your soul. And if that’s not you, don’t do it.

Karen Stephens – 00:18:31: Right. But be brave. I love that. There’s no right time.

Sky McLean – 00:18:34: But if you’re going to do it, you can’t look back. There’s no right time. Jump off the cliff, literally, and figure it not like literally off the actual cliff, but off the cliff of entrepreneurialism. Like it is a cliff. You jump off, and you don’t have a job ,and you don’t have an income, and you can’t do it half ass. Like I rarely watch the Shark Tank and the Dragon’s Den then, but when I do, they always say, “Don’t do this as a side hobby.”  And that’s like gone every single time there’s someone up there trying to do this as a side hobby. It’s not a side hobby. There’s no side hobby if you’re starting a business.

Karen Stephens – 00:19:00: You’re either in or you’re out.

Sky McLean – 00:19:01: You’re in or you’re out. If you’re doing it as a side hobby, it’s a hobby. It’s not a business.

Karen Stephens – 00:19:05: Thank you, Sky. This is always a pleasure to talk to you. The URL is basecampresorts.com. And Sky, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

Sky McLean – 00:19:13: Thank you so much for having me.

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